NameEthel LAIDMAN , 18, Q1068
Birth8 Mar 1887, Hull, YKS
Death18 Jan 1970 Age: 82
Death MemoKilled in a road accident
FatherJames Harper LAIDMAN , 1163, P1061 (1851-1920)
MotherHannah HEAD , 1164 (1853-1936)
Misc. Notes
1891 census return: RG12/4237, folio 7, page 10.
Blyth (Northumberland), 36 Stanley Street
James H. Laidman, head, M[arried], 40, ShipBuilder, employed, [born] Northumberland, Hartley
Hannah Laidman, Wife, M, 37, born Northumberland, Walker
Mary F. Laidman, Daur, S[ingle], Scholar, born Northumberland, Walker
William Laidman, Son, S, 12, Scholar, born Northumberland, Walker
James H. Laidman, Son, S, 7, Scholar, born Yorkshire, Hull
Ethel Laidman, Daur, S, 4, born Yorkshire, Hull
Norah K. Laidman, Daur, S, 2, born Ireland, Belfast
John H. Laidman, Son, S, 2mo, born Northumberland, Blyth

1901 census return: RG13/1074 folio 53 page 5
The Avenue (St. Johns Villa), Shirley, Southampton
John [sic] Harper Laidman, head, married, 50, Ship builder (Manager), born Northumberland, Hartley
Hannah Laidman, wife, married, 47, born Northumberland, Walker
Mary F. Smith, daur. widow, 24, born Northumberland, Walker
James H. Laidman, son, 17, Ship Draughtsman, worker, born Yorkshire, Hull
Ethel Laidman, daur. 14 born Yorkshire, Hull
Norah Laidman, daur. 12 born Ireland, Belfast
John H. Laidman, son, 10, born Northumberland, Blyth
Thomas Laidman, son, 6, born Hants. Southampton
Richard Laidman, son, 3, born Hants. Southampton
Margaret Holden, serv. single, 16, General Servant Domestic, born Lancs. Liverpool

1911 census return: RG14PN6129 RD103 SD2 ED18 SN9999
Hampshire, Winchester, Romsey Road
Laidman, Ethel, Nurse, Single, F, 24, 1887, Hospital Nurse, born Yorks Hull

From "The Southern Daily Echo", Friday, February 9, 1917:

Pretty Wedding at Southampton
_______________________

St. Mark's Church, Southampton, was the scene of a pretty war wedding, yesterday afternoon, when Miss Ethel Laidman (daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J.H. Laidman, of "Claremont," The Avenue) was married to Mr. John Percy Tinn, of Whitley Bay, Northumberland. The ceremony was a very quiet one, and the guests present included only relatives and intimate friends of the bride and bridegroom. The bride (who was given away by her father) wore a smart walking costume of champagne-coloured suiting, and her dainty hat, to match, was trimmed with a band of corot blue ribbon, and she wore a set of delicate grey fox furs ( the gift of the bridegroom). She carried a bouquet of pale pink carnations. Miss N. Laidman (sister of the bride) and Miss G. Tinn (sister of the bridegroom) acted as bridesmaids, their tailor-made costumes being of pearl grey and pastel blue cloth respectively, and each wore handsome furs, with a burst of pale pink carnations. (They also wore gold curb bangles, the gift of the bridegroom.) The best man's duties were undertaken by Mr. H.B. Peters (a brother officer of the bridegroom). Both the bridegroom and best man were in uniform, and several brother officers of H.M.'s Transport Service were present. The Vicar of St. Mark's, the Rev. E.L. Franklin, was the officiating clergyman. After the ceremony a reception was held at "Claremont," and later the newly wedded couple left for London, where the honeymoon is to be spent. They were the recipients of a large number of handsome gifts. The bride's gift to the groom consisted of a handsome silver cigarette case. Amongst the guests present were Mr. and Mrs. Tinn (parents of the bridegroom), Capt. and Mrs Coffin, and officers of H.M.T.--, Mr. and Mrs. Snowdon, Mrs. Hadley, Capt. J. Laidman, R.F.A., M.C. (the bride's brother), and Mrs J. Laidman, Miss Guthrie, Engineer-Commander C. Ramsay, R.N.R., Mrs. Gascoigne, Mr. and Mrs. Bailey, Mr. and Mrs. Wilson, and others.

The Snowdons were doubtless the in-laws of James Harper Laidman junior, since one of his sons was named James Snowdon.

Extract from a letter written by James Snowdon Laidman to his wife Gloria, in about 1945:
After I'd seen Ted … I went to Ipswich via London. Twas late at night when I reached Ipswich spent the night at a Red Cross club and visited Norah and Ethel the next morning - what a dowdy, shaggy pair they are! Norah pays no attention at all to her appearance is a sight and yet she has enough money to live decently. I think she's half bats. Ethel is better but has crazy notions too - they wanted to give me a clock that belonged to my grandfather a mantle peice thing got out of it by telling them it was too bulky.
Uncle Percy is a character also quite the tippler - he took me to all the bars. These English put away gallons of beer at a sitting - buy it by the pint for a shilling.
They told me a lot about the Laidman family and I discovered that there were eleven children - two of them twins that died at 3 mos. in addition to two other children that died. Also that Tommy almost proposed to Marguerite Snowdon at one time but thought one Snowdon was enough in the Laidman family - quite true. Incidentally it was the Laidman girls that knew the Snowdon girls first. Mother and Jesse were friends of Norah and Ethel and at first Dad and Tommy ignored them completely - as brothers do.

1953: 1 Lancing Avenue, Ipswich

An entry in Vivian David Michael’s account ledger confirms what he told me: thatEthel’s brother John Head Laidman - or his family - was so poor that a gravestone could not be afforded, and he had to pay for it. The entry is on 12 May 1958 and reads: Tinn (Kerb gravestone for J.H.L). £ 25-0-0.
Spouses
Birthca 1888, Leeds, YKS
Death1968, Ipswich RD, SFK
Occupation1917: Marine Engineer
FatherThomas TINN , 288 (ca1859-)
MotherJane Wilkinson JOHNSON , 16714 (1857-)
Misc. Notes
Denise Anne Laidman remembers Percy Tinn as a "little tubby North Country man with ginger hair."

1891 census return: RG12/4168 folio 90 page 4
Durham, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, 257 Albert Rd.
Sarah A Johnson, Head, Wid, 59, born Durham Jarrow
Isabella B. Johnson, Daur, S, 34, born Durham Newfield
James W. Johnson, Son, S, 29, Commercial Traveller (Drysalteries), born Durham Stockton
Margaret E. Johnson, Daur, S, 25, Elementary School Teacher, born Durham Stockton
Elizabeth Y. Johnson, Daur, S, 22, Elementary School Teacher, born Durham Stockton
Sarah A. Johnson, Daur, S, 18, Elementary School Teacher, born Durham South Shields
Lionel Johnson, Son, 14, born Durham South Shields
Jane W. Tinn, Daur, M, 33, born Durham Stockton
John P. Tinn, Grandson, 3, born Yorkshire Leeds
Thomas S. Tinn, Grandson, 10 mo, born Yorkshire Leeds

1901 census return: RG13/2810 folio 12 page 16
Birmingham, Balsall Heath, 164 Brighton Road
Thomas Tinn, Head, M, 42, Fine art Dealer, Employer, born Durham Jarrow
Jane Wilkinson Tinn, Wife, M, 43, Wife, born Durham Stockton
John Percy Tinn, Son, S, 13, School Boy, born Leeds, Yorkshire
Tom Charley [sic, for Thomas Stanley] Tinn, Son, S, 10, School Boy, born Leeds, Yorkshire
Grace Tinn, Daur, S, 7, School Girl, born Durham Sunderland

Extract from a letter written by James Snowdon Laidman to his wife Gloria, in about 1945:
After I'd seen Ted … I went to Ipswich via London. Twas late at night when I reached Ipswich spent the night at a Red Cross club and visited Norah and Ethel the next morning - what a dowdy, shaggy pair they are! Norah pays no attention at all to her appearance is a sight and yet she has enough money to live decently. I think she's half bats. Ethel is better but has crazy notions too - they wanted to give me a clock that belonged to my grandfather a mantle peice thing got out of it by telling them it was too bulky.
Uncle Percy is a character also quite the tippler - he took me to all the bars. These English put away gallons of beer at a sitting - buy it by the pint for a shilling.
They told me a lot about the Laidman family and I discovered that there were eleven children - two of them twins that died at 3 mos. in addition to two other children that died. Also that Tommy almost proposed to Marguerite Snowdon at one time but thought one Snowdon was enough in the Laidman family - quite true. Incidentally it was the Laidman girls that knew the Snowdon girls first. Mother and Jesse were friends of Norah and Ethel and at first Dad and Tommy ignored them completely - as brothers do.
Marriage8 Feb 1917, Southampton, HAM
Marr MemoSt Mark
Misc. Notes
Marriage solemnized in St Marks Church in the County Borough of Southampton in the County of the same.
No. 108 February 8th 1917.
John Percy Tinn, 29, Bachelor, Marine Engineer, 22 Charles Avenue, Whitley Bay [father] Thomas Tinn, Commercial Traveller
Ethel Laidman, 29, Spinster, “Claremont” The Avenue, [father] James Harper Laidman, Ship Builder
[Witnesses] James Harper Laidman, Thomas Tinn

From "The Southern Daily Echo", Friday, February 9, 1917:

Pretty Wedding at Southampton
_______________________

St. Mark's Church, Southampton, was the scene of a pretty war wedding, yesterday afternoon, when Miss Ethel Laidman (daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J.H. Laidman, of "Claremont," The Avenue) was married to Mr. John Percy Tinn, of Whitley Bay, Northumberland. The ceremony was a very quiet one, and the guests present included only relatives and intimate friends of the bride and bridegroom. The bride (who was given away by her father) wore a smart walking costume of champagne-coloured suiting, and her dainty hat, to match, was trimmed with a band of corot blue ribbon, and she wore a set of delicate grey fox furs ( the gift of the bridegroom). She carried a bouquet of pale pink carnations. Miss N. Laidman (sister of the bride) and Miss G. Tinn (sister of the bridegroom) acted as bridesmaids, their tailor-made costumes being of pearl grey and pastel blue cloth respectively, and each wore handsome furs, with a burst of pale pink carnations. (They also wore gold curb bangles, the gift of the bridegroom.) The best man's duties were undertaken by Mr. H.B. Peters (a brother officer of the bridegroom). Both the bridegroom and best man were in uniform, and several brother officers of H.M.'s Transport Service were present. The Vicar of St. Mark's, the Rev. E.L. Franklin, was the officiating clergyman. After the ceremony a reception was held at "Claremont," and later the newly wedded couple left for London, where the honeymoon is to be spent. They were the recipients of a large number of handsome gifts. The bride's gift to the groom consisted of a handsome silver cigarette case. Amongst the guests present were Mr. and Mrs. Tinn (parents of the bridegroom), Capt. and Mrs Coffin, and officers of H.M.T.--, Mr. and Mrs. Snowdon, Mrs. Hadley, Capt. J. Laidman, R.F.A., M.C. (the bride's brother), and Mrs J. Laidman, Miss Guthrie, Engineer-Commander C. Ramsay, R.N.R., Mrs. Gascoigne, Mr. and Mrs. Bailey, Mr. and Mrs. Wilson, and others.


The Snowdons were doubtless the in-laws of James Harper Laidman junior, since one of his sons was named James Snowdon.
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